Comments on: American Tech Grads Unemployable?? http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/ Disruptive Technologies, Modern Education, Shrouded Social Issues and Dirty media propaganda Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:58:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Saniyan http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/comment-page-1/#comment-5630 The Saniyan Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:49:38 +0000 http://www.kenneyjacob.com/?p=2815#comment-5630 Was passing by your blog. Needless to say that this guy is completely out of his mind. Having been a part of both the Indian and American education systems as a student, I find it completely the opposite. I feel that one of the few things that is probably the best part of America is its education system. Its something that values intellectual contributions and individuality and creativity. This is exactly opposite of the way things are done in India where the standardization and one size fits for all card is played. Clearly this is a case of sour grapes and pointless jingoism fostered by the over-the-top private media without realizing the ground realities. One way India can catch up and over take the US is by realizing the need to improve itself and see whats wrong with it instead of harboring on past glories and jingosim. Was passing by your blog. Needless to say that this guy is completely out of his mind. Having been a part of both the Indian and American education systems as a student, I find it completely the opposite. I feel that one of the few things that is probably the best part of America is its education system. Its something that values intellectual contributions and individuality and creativity. This is exactly opposite of the way things are done in India where the standardization and one size fits for all card is played. Clearly this is a case of sour grapes and pointless jingoism fostered by the over-the-top private media without realizing the ground realities. One way India can catch up and over take the US is by realizing the need to improve itself and see whats wrong with it instead of harboring on past glories and jingosim.

]]> By: The Nomad http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/comment-page-1/#comment-5582 The Nomad Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:07:01 +0000 http://www.kenneyjacob.com/?p=2815#comment-5582 @Dhanesh: You're the mind reader pal!! :) Jokes apart, interesting response! If only the labor costs are to be considered, yes..they're way to expensive, but they can't be classified unemployable staright off the bat for refusing to do boring stuff (remember, our IIT/IIM grads fall almost under the same category as this guy describes unemployable and thats the LAST thing i would DARE call them!). I'm not really sure about our market not being ready for all this- quite frankly I don't know! And yea, interesting, why would they make all the fuss about losing their jobs? Its probably becoz they would grab anything at all when they're left with no option! No more comments on this! :) @Dhanesh:

You’re the mind reader pal!! :)

Jokes apart, interesting response! If only the labor costs are to be considered, yes..they’re way to expensive, but they can’t be classified unemployable staright off the bat for refusing to do boring stuff (remember, our IIT/IIM grads fall almost under the same category as this guy describes unemployable and thats the LAST thing i would DARE call them!).

I’m not really sure about our market not being ready for all this- quite frankly I don’t know!

And yea, interesting, why would they make all the fuss about losing their jobs? Its probably becoz they would grab anything at all when they’re left with no option!

No more comments on this! :)

]]> By: The Nomad http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/comment-page-1/#comment-5580 The Nomad Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:40:51 +0000 http://www.kenneyjacob.com/?p=2815#comment-5580 @Tony: Thee're two angles to this. One is about the expense of the labor and the second is the willingness of the workforce. And I dunno if how many Americans would indeed be willing to take up such stuff for a pittance. But then again, how many American grads would indeed flock to outsourcing? Indians make for the second most intelligent people in the world (right next to the jews). That should be reason enough why so many of us do out-of-this-world things be it in NASA or guiding the co founders of Google!. I was just wondering as to why such a talented population has to work in such an industry that is totally devoid of any intellectual engagement. I totally agree on ur point reg shifting R&D to India but it should also serve to remind you of the fact that these parent companies run solely due to the American(Tony Fadell of iPod or Pierre Omidyar of eBay) and bright Indian talent. Again, how many IIT guys join outsourcing these days? My point here is that outsourcing DOESN NOT NEED such a bright crowd. @Tony:
Thee’re two angles to this. One is about the expense of the labor and the second is the willingness of the workforce. And I dunno if how many Americans would indeed be willing to take up such stuff for a pittance. But then again, how many American grads would indeed flock to outsourcing? Indians make for the second most intelligent people in the world (right next to the jews). That should be reason enough why so many of us do out-of-this-world things be it in NASA or guiding the co founders of Google!. I was just wondering as to why such a talented population has to work in such an industry that is totally devoid of any intellectual engagement. I totally agree on ur point reg shifting R&D to India but it should also serve to remind you of the fact that these parent companies run solely due to the American(Tony Fadell of iPod or Pierre Omidyar of eBay) and bright Indian talent. Again, how many IIT guys join outsourcing these days? My point here is that outsourcing DOESN NOT NEED such a bright crowd.

]]> By: Dhanesh http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/comment-page-1/#comment-5573 Dhanesh Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:27:35 +0000 http://www.kenneyjacob.com/?p=2815#comment-5573 Indian firms make money because we have this cheap labour .Thats the only advantage indian IT sevice companies have.And their sole aim is to make money exploiting this advantages as long as possible.So in this perspective no wonder Nayyar found American Tech Grads unemoployable.(They are expensive). Its not like Americans are too intelligent and they refuse to do the work indians do..if that is the case why they are and making so much fuzz about outsourcing and job loss due to out sourcing? Due to difference in cost of living and life style Americans cant do this work at the same pay indains are doing.So they loose. (their jobs to us indians..). And about cutting edge research done in American companies and lack of research here in India..i believe its not happening here because our market is not ready for it.I mean there is no demand in our industry for this high end research.But it will happen with in next twenty years and thats for sure. We will get richer,our raods,scools,hospitals,colleges and life will improve and then we no more will have to do this low end outsourcing work.But it has its importance because this is the industry which gave us global exposure for the first time.All those H-1 B visa holders who went and came back from US not only bring money but also expertise.(At least in dealing with American clients).So if we see the big picture IT happened for good. @Ashwin I guess You are more frustrated about the lack of opportunities here than HCL CEO's comment[:)] Indian firms make money because we have this cheap labour .Thats the only advantage indian IT sevice companies have.And their sole aim is to make money exploiting this advantages as long as possible.So in this perspective no wonder Nayyar found American Tech Grads unemoployable.(They are expensive).

Its not like Americans are too intelligent and they refuse to do the work indians do..if that is the case why they are and making so much fuzz about
outsourcing and job loss due to out sourcing? Due to difference in cost of living and life style Americans cant do this work at the same pay indains are doing.So they loose. (their jobs to us indians..).

And about cutting edge research done in American companies and lack of research here in India..i believe its not happening here because our market is not ready for it.I mean there is no demand in our industry for this high end research.But it will happen with in next twenty years and thats for sure.

We will get richer,our raods,scools,hospitals,colleges and life will improve
and then we no more will have to do this low end outsourcing work.But it has its importance because this is the industry which gave us global exposure for the first time.All those H-1 B visa holders who went and came back from US not only bring money but also expertise.(At least in dealing with American clients).So if we see the big picture IT happened for good.

@Ashwin
I guess You are more frustrated about the lack of opportunities here than
HCL CEO’s comment[:)]

]]> By: Tony Jose http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2009/06/26/american-tech-grads-unemployable/comment-page-1/#comment-5569 Tony Jose Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:00:41 +0000 http://www.kenneyjacob.com/?p=2815#comment-5569 I have to disagree with you, because we do have great number of skilled employees. And many of them are working in US at Microsoft, Google, NASA etc. There is nothing wrong with Indian companies, only thing is that, they cant afford highly skilled employees. Thats why most of the US based companies are moving their R&D's to India. This includes Microsoft, GE, CISCO etc. I have to disagree with you, because we do have great number of skilled employees. And many of them are working in US at Microsoft, Google, NASA etc. There is nothing wrong with Indian companies, only thing is that, they cant afford highly skilled employees. Thats why most of the US based companies are moving their R&D’s to India. This includes Microsoft, GE, CISCO etc.

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