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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
		<link>http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2008/10/16/the-great-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JMJ

That is another aspect. They were cooking the books to delay the reporting of the losses for so long because they assumed the housing markets will pick up and they can dilute the losses later when big profits come up...

However, they just accumulated and when the critical mass was reached, the companies just started failing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JMJ</p>
<p>That is another aspect. They were cooking the books to delay the reporting of the losses for so long because they assumed the housing markets will pick up and they can dilute the losses later when big profits come up&#8230;</p>
<p>However, they just accumulated and when the critical mass was reached, the companies just started failing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JMJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story DA. combined with that - just think what all those evil accountants and CEO&#039;s were doing by hiding all the losses on the balance sheets and showing the investors big profits on the income statement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story DA. combined with that &#8211; just think what all those evil accountants and CEO&#8217;s were doing by hiding all the losses on the balance sheets and showing the investors big profits on the income statement!</p>
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		<title>By: dhanesh</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Domestic Avilanche,
Great story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Domestic Avilanche,<br />
Great story!</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely,

And think of it, the only way for these companies to perform well is if the customers start spending more, and they do not have the money for doing that and nobody is willing to lend the money.

We&#039;ll see how we can come out of this spiral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely,</p>
<p>And think of it, the only way for these companies to perform well is if the customers start spending more, and they do not have the money for doing that and nobody is willing to lend the money.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how we can come out of this spiral.</p>
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		<title>By: JMJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DA

You have rightly pointed out where it all started from - but there is a lot more to come...

Just over speculation on the US economy -
Fuel prices have dropped drastically!
Foreign exchange market has gone crazy!
Investors are pulling out money not only from banks - but also projects and pulling out of countries!
Stock Markets have already crashed big time...
Job losses all over...

there is more to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DA</p>
<p>You have rightly pointed out where it all started from &#8211; but there is a lot more to come&#8230;</p>
<p>Just over speculation on the US economy -<br />
Fuel prices have dropped drastically!<br />
Foreign exchange market has gone crazy!<br />
Investors are pulling out money not only from banks &#8211; but also projects and pulling out of countries!<br />
Stock Markets have already crashed big time&#8230;<br />
Job losses all over&#8230;</p>
<p>there is more to come&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting story about bankruptcy explains the problem USA is facing currently ::
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Once there was a little island country. The land of this country was the tiny island itself. The total money in circulation was 2 dollars as there were only two pieces of 1 dollar coins circulating around.

1) There were 3 citizens living on this island country.  A owned the land. B and C each owned 1 dollar.

2) B decided to purchase the land from A for 1 dollar. So, now A and C own 1 dollar each while B owned a piece of land that is worth 1 dollar.

* The net asset of the country now = 3 dollars.

3) Now C thought that since there is only one piece of land in the country, and land is non producible asset, its value must definitely go up. So, he borrowed 1 dollar from A, and together with his own 1 dollar, he bought the land from B for 2 dollars.

*A has a loan to C of 1 dollar, so his net asset is 1 dollar.
* B sold his land and got 2 dollars, so his net asset is 2 dollars.
* C owned the piece of land worth 2 dollars but with his 1 dollar debt to A, his net residual asset is 1 dollar.
* Thus, the net asset of the country = 4 dollars.

4) A saw that the land he once owned has risen in value. He regretted having sold it. Luckily, he has a 1 dollar loan to C. He then borrowed 2 dollars from B and acquired the land back from C for 3 dollars. The payment is by 2 dollars cash (which he borrowed) and cancellation of the 1 dollar loan to C. As a result, A now owned a piece of land that is worth 3 dollars. But since he owed B 2 dollars, his net asset is 1 dollar.

* B loaned 2 dollars to A. So his net asset is 2 dollars.
* C now has the 2 coins. His net asset is also 2 dollars.
* The net asset of the country = 5 dollars. A bubble is building up.

(5) B saw that the value of land kept rising. He also wanted to own the land. So he bought the land from A for 4 dollars. The payment is by borrowing 2 dollars from C, and cancellation of his 2 dollars loan to A.

* As a result, A has got his debt cleared and he got the 2 coins. His net asset is 2 dollars.
* B owned a piece of land that is worth 4 dollars, but since he has a debt of 2 dollars with C, his net Asset is 2 dollars.
* C loaned 2 dollars to B, so his net asset is 2 dollars.

* The net asset of the country = 6 dollars; even though, the country has only one piece of land and 2 Dollars in circulation.

(6) Everybody has made money and everybody felt happy and prosperous.

(7) One day an evil wind blew, and an evil thought came to C&#039;s mind. &quot;Hey, what if the land price stop going up, how could B repay my loan. There is only 2 dollars in circulation, and, I think after all the land that B owns is worth at most only 1 dollar, and no more.&quot;

(8) A also thought the same way.

(9) Nobody wanted to buy land anymore.

* So, in the end, A owns the 2 dollar coins, his net asset is 2 dollars.
* B owed C 2 dollars and the land he owned which he thought worth 4 dollars is now 1 dollar. So his net asset is only 1 dollar.
* C has a loan of 2 dollars to B. But it is a bad debt. Although his net asset is still 2 dollars, his Heart is palpitating.
* The net asset of the country = 3 dollars again.

(10) So, who has stolen the 3 dollars from the country? Of course, before the bubble burst B thought his land was worth 4 dollars. Actually, right before the collapse, the net asset of the country was 6 dollars on paper. B&#039;s net asset is still 2 dollars, his heart is palpitating.

(11) B had no choice but to declare bankruptcy. C as to relinquish his 2 dollars bad debt to B, but in return he acquired the land which is worth 1 dollar now.

* A owns the 2 coins; his net asset is 2 dollars.
* B is bankrupt; his net asset is 0 dollar. (He lost everything)
* C got no choice but end up with a land worth only 1 dollar

* the net asset of the country = 3 dollars.

************ **End of the story; BUT ************ ********* ******

There is however a redistribution of wealth.
A is the winner, B is the loser, C is lucky that he is spared.
A few points worth noting -

(1) when a bubble is building up, the debt of individuals to one another in a country is also building up.
(2) This story of the island is a closed system whereby there is no other country and hence no foreign debt. The worth of the asset can only be calculated using the island&#039;s own currency. Hence, there is no net loss.
(3) An over-damped system is assumed when the bubble burst, meaning the land&#039;s value did not go down to below 1 dollar.
(4) When the bubble burst, the fellow with cash is the winner. The fellows having the land or extending loan to others are the losers. The asset could shrink or in worst case, they go bankrupt.
(5) If there is another citizen D either holding a dollar or another piece of land but refrains from taking part in the game, he will neither win nor lose. But he will see the value of his money or land goes up and down like a see saw.
(6) When the bubble was in the growing phase, everybody made money.
(7) If you are smart and know that you are living in a growing bubble, it is worthwhile to borrow money (like A) and take part in the game. But you must know when you should change everything back to cash.
(8) As in the case of land, the above phenomenon applies to stocks as well.
(9) The actual worth of land or stocks depends largely on psychology (or speculation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting story about bankruptcy explains the problem USA is facing currently ::<br />
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<p>Once there was a little island country. The land of this country was the tiny island itself. The total money in circulation was 2 dollars as there were only two pieces of 1 dollar coins circulating around.</p>
<p>1) There were 3 citizens living on this island country.  A owned the land. B and C each owned 1 dollar.</p>
<p>2) B decided to purchase the land from A for 1 dollar. So, now A and C own 1 dollar each while B owned a piece of land that is worth 1 dollar.</p>
<p>* The net asset of the country now = 3 dollars.</p>
<p>3) Now C thought that since there is only one piece of land in the country, and land is non producible asset, its value must definitely go up. So, he borrowed 1 dollar from A, and together with his own 1 dollar, he bought the land from B for 2 dollars.</p>
<p>*A has a loan to C of 1 dollar, so his net asset is 1 dollar.<br />
* B sold his land and got 2 dollars, so his net asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* C owned the piece of land worth 2 dollars but with his 1 dollar debt to A, his net residual asset is 1 dollar.<br />
* Thus, the net asset of the country = 4 dollars.</p>
<p>4) A saw that the land he once owned has risen in value. He regretted having sold it. Luckily, he has a 1 dollar loan to C. He then borrowed 2 dollars from B and acquired the land back from C for 3 dollars. The payment is by 2 dollars cash (which he borrowed) and cancellation of the 1 dollar loan to C. As a result, A now owned a piece of land that is worth 3 dollars. But since he owed B 2 dollars, his net asset is 1 dollar.</p>
<p>* B loaned 2 dollars to A. So his net asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* C now has the 2 coins. His net asset is also 2 dollars.<br />
* The net asset of the country = 5 dollars. A bubble is building up.</p>
<p>(5) B saw that the value of land kept rising. He also wanted to own the land. So he bought the land from A for 4 dollars. The payment is by borrowing 2 dollars from C, and cancellation of his 2 dollars loan to A.</p>
<p>* As a result, A has got his debt cleared and he got the 2 coins. His net asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* B owned a piece of land that is worth 4 dollars, but since he has a debt of 2 dollars with C, his net Asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* C loaned 2 dollars to B, so his net asset is 2 dollars.</p>
<p>* The net asset of the country = 6 dollars; even though, the country has only one piece of land and 2 Dollars in circulation.</p>
<p>(6) Everybody has made money and everybody felt happy and prosperous.</p>
<p>(7) One day an evil wind blew, and an evil thought came to C&#8217;s mind. &#8220;Hey, what if the land price stop going up, how could B repay my loan. There is only 2 dollars in circulation, and, I think after all the land that B owns is worth at most only 1 dollar, and no more.&#8221;</p>
<p>(8) A also thought the same way.</p>
<p>(9) Nobody wanted to buy land anymore.</p>
<p>* So, in the end, A owns the 2 dollar coins, his net asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* B owed C 2 dollars and the land he owned which he thought worth 4 dollars is now 1 dollar. So his net asset is only 1 dollar.<br />
* C has a loan of 2 dollars to B. But it is a bad debt. Although his net asset is still 2 dollars, his Heart is palpitating.<br />
* The net asset of the country = 3 dollars again.</p>
<p>(10) So, who has stolen the 3 dollars from the country? Of course, before the bubble burst B thought his land was worth 4 dollars. Actually, right before the collapse, the net asset of the country was 6 dollars on paper. B&#8217;s net asset is still 2 dollars, his heart is palpitating.</p>
<p>(11) B had no choice but to declare bankruptcy. C as to relinquish his 2 dollars bad debt to B, but in return he acquired the land which is worth 1 dollar now.</p>
<p>* A owns the 2 coins; his net asset is 2 dollars.<br />
* B is bankrupt; his net asset is 0 dollar. (He lost everything)<br />
* C got no choice but end up with a land worth only 1 dollar</p>
<p>* the net asset of the country = 3 dollars.</p>
<p>************ **End of the story; BUT ************ ********* ******</p>
<p>There is however a redistribution of wealth.<br />
A is the winner, B is the loser, C is lucky that he is spared.<br />
A few points worth noting -</p>
<p>(1) when a bubble is building up, the debt of individuals to one another in a country is also building up.<br />
(2) This story of the island is a closed system whereby there is no other country and hence no foreign debt. The worth of the asset can only be calculated using the island&#8217;s own currency. Hence, there is no net loss.<br />
(3) An over-damped system is assumed when the bubble burst, meaning the land&#8217;s value did not go down to below 1 dollar.<br />
(4) When the bubble burst, the fellow with cash is the winner. The fellows having the land or extending loan to others are the losers. The asset could shrink or in worst case, they go bankrupt.<br />
(5) If there is another citizen D either holding a dollar or another piece of land but refrains from taking part in the game, he will neither win nor lose. But he will see the value of his money or land goes up and down like a see saw.<br />
(6) When the bubble was in the growing phase, everybody made money.<br />
(7) If you are smart and know that you are living in a growing bubble, it is worthwhile to borrow money (like A) and take part in the game. But you must know when you should change everything back to cash.<br />
(8) As in the case of land, the above phenomenon applies to stocks as well.<br />
(9) The actual worth of land or stocks depends largely on psychology (or speculation).</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story for  Indian economy is two things

1) Let us be very careful when we decide whether to make Indian economy a purely consumer spending based economy.

2) Be careful, be extremely careful at the rising property/house prices that we have. There will be a bust after every boom. Watch out for that. The rise of house prices can be explained by the following story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story for  Indian economy is two things</p>
<p>1) Let us be very careful when we decide whether to make Indian economy a purely consumer spending based economy.</p>
<p>2) Be careful, be extremely careful at the rising property/house prices that we have. There will be a bust after every boom. Watch out for that. The rise of house prices can be explained by the following story.</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These all lead to the final problem. The American economy is a consumer economy that thrives on consumer spending. So where do these customers get their money?

The answer lies in second mortgage, third mortgage etc. At at time when house prices are going up, in a few years, you would be owing much less than what the house is worth. This thing will help you get a second mortgage on the house and spend the money on a Big Screen Plasma TV, A Vacation, or just a holiday shopping spree. When the house prices went down, this source of money for the American consumers dried up because

1) The prices are down and there is not much gap between the worth of the house and the existing loan to make an extra loan

2) Banks started tightening the criteria for loans.

This led the the American economy to plummet with less money being spent by the consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These all lead to the final problem. The American economy is a consumer economy that thrives on consumer spending. So where do these customers get their money?</p>
<p>The answer lies in second mortgage, third mortgage etc. At at time when house prices are going up, in a few years, you would be owing much less than what the house is worth. This thing will help you get a second mortgage on the house and spend the money on a Big Screen Plasma TV, A Vacation, or just a holiday shopping spree. When the house prices went down, this source of money for the American consumers dried up because</p>
<p>1) The prices are down and there is not much gap between the worth of the house and the existing loan to make an extra loan</p>
<p>2) Banks started tightening the criteria for loans.</p>
<p>This led the the American economy to plummet with less money being spent by the consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, these delinquencies resulted in banks losing big time money and nobody is sure which bank is about to go bust. This led to banks not willing to lend to each other because they are afraid that the bank you are lending to will go down with these mortgage issues. Even if the bank you are lending to is not directly linked to the mortgages, they may have lent money to some other banks that may go bankrupt and this may lead the one in question too into a bad shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, these delinquencies resulted in banks losing big time money and nobody is sure which bank is about to go bust. This led to banks not willing to lend to each other because they are afraid that the bank you are lending to will go down with these mortgage issues. Even if the bank you are lending to is not directly linked to the mortgages, they may have lent money to some other banks that may go bankrupt and this may lead the one in question too into a bad shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Avalanche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domestic Avalanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However the bubble burst suddenly.... The prices started dropping. 

This meant that an awful lot of people owed more to the bank than what their house was worth. This accelerated the foreclosures because this imbalance would reflect on the calculations of the payments and the mortgage payments increased a lot, and the residents thought it is better to let it go for foreclosure because the house is not worth as much as the loan amount.

The subprime loans were hit the most because the initial payment only accounted for the interest on the loan and that is all the borrowers could afford. When the prices dropped, again the banks had to start making them pay the principal which became more difficult resulting in more bankruptcies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However the bubble burst suddenly&#8230;. The prices started dropping. </p>
<p>This meant that an awful lot of people owed more to the bank than what their house was worth. This accelerated the foreclosures because this imbalance would reflect on the calculations of the payments and the mortgage payments increased a lot, and the residents thought it is better to let it go for foreclosure because the house is not worth as much as the loan amount.</p>
<p>The subprime loans were hit the most because the initial payment only accounted for the interest on the loan and that is all the borrowers could afford. When the prices dropped, again the banks had to start making them pay the principal which became more difficult resulting in more bankruptcies.</p>
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