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		<title>By: The Old Text Book Issue Re-Opened</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Old Text Book Issue Re-Opened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we have all these religious BS in our textbooks, what wrong did that innocent 7th standard chapter do ? It never asked you to quit your religion, It did not preach atheism. All that the chapter said [...]</description>
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		<title>By: അങ്കിള്‍</title>
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		<dc:creator>അങ്കിള്‍</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comming back to the contents of the post of Kenny, a threadbare discussion is being held here at 
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		<title>By: Arun Mohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kenneyji....

Be cool..... Infact I too agree about the loud sounds made from religious places..... I do agree that its not only christian denomations famous for it, but also even from Hindu community too........ 

As you know, I do have a house in Karamana, apart from my aunt&#039;s house..... Its rented out to a doctor who happens to be a Muslim..... Next to my house recently, a local temple nearby erected loud speakers.... The suprising fact is that, this temple is around 900 m away from our house... But the entire sankar nagar and all areas of radius of 1 km around the temple were hearing the daily Bhagavatam saptam, which runs from monring 9&#039;:30 to evening 6:00 pm last week.......... For a hindu like me, it may be a sweet note, but really it went a major embrassing when our tentant came to us and asked us &quot;can we go to temple and ask them to take of the speaker? is there any sin associated with it&quot; 

I couldn&#039;t understand why religious groups do this..... Those who want to hear saptham can go to temple and hear it... why should it be forcible hearing and that too eve for non hindus?

These things, even I can&#039;t digest...... 

regards
arun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kenneyji&#8230;.</p>
<p>Be cool&#8230;.. Infact I too agree about the loud sounds made from religious places&#8230;.. I do agree that its not only christian denomations famous for it, but also even from Hindu community too&#8230;&#8230;.. </p>
<p>As you know, I do have a house in Karamana, apart from my aunt&#8217;s house&#8230;.. Its rented out to a doctor who happens to be a Muslim&#8230;.. Next to my house recently, a local temple nearby erected loud speakers&#8230;. The suprising fact is that, this temple is around 900 m away from our house&#8230; But the entire sankar nagar and all areas of radius of 1 km around the temple were hearing the daily Bhagavatam saptam, which runs from monring 9&#8242;:30 to evening 6:00 pm last week&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. For a hindu like me, it may be a sweet note, but really it went a major embrassing when our tentant came to us and asked us &#8220;can we go to temple and ask them to take of the speaker? is there any sin associated with it&#8221; </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand why religious groups do this&#8230;.. Those who want to hear saptham can go to temple and hear it&#8230; why should it be forcible hearing and that too eve for non hindus?</p>
<p>These things, even I can&#8217;t digest&#8230;&#8230; </p>
<p>regards<br />
arun</p>
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		<title>By: Kenney Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenney Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vimal
I appreciate your comment. But let me tell you something. I dont give a damn about how these religious noise makers feels. I mentioned a groups name in particular cos they are well reputed for that. Goto a convention of theirs and you will know how they defame the whole of christianity.  

I also have sentiments and feelings. These idiots are hurting my sentiments as well as the sentiments of the secular community. Dont we also have the right to defend our sentiments ? Or is it a monopoly of the reigions ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vimal<br />
I appreciate your comment. But let me tell you something. I dont give a damn about how these religious noise makers feels. I mentioned a groups name in particular cos they are well reputed for that. Goto a convention of theirs and you will know how they defame the whole of christianity.  </p>
<p>I also have sentiments and feelings. These idiots are hurting my sentiments as well as the sentiments of the secular community. Dont we also have the right to defend our sentiments ? Or is it a monopoly of the reigions ?</p>
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		<title>By: Vimal George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimal George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kenney:
I don&#039;t think its quite fair to  target any particular denomination for the &#039;noise nuisance&#039; crime. I hate ANY bunch of morons who have to run LOUDspeakers into the streets so that no one in 2 sq. kms can enjoy their peace with their families/study/read/other activities that need quiet. This practice is endemic to almost ALL Indian religious communities.
The Chennai city council has taken some steps in the right direction in this regard. eg. restricting public processions that disrupt city traffic/infrastructre.

I think some people may have their sentiments hurt when you try to pinpoint them as the source of all nuisance. The truth is that our collective skins have gotten thicker and we&#039;re able to suffer LOTS of noise nuisance in the name of secularism and common sense tolerance of our neighbours. Its just that when it approaches the level of Acoustic vandalism, that it becomes much for our brains to tolerate, and we tend to lash out.


@Wilson Varghese
Please don&#039;t take it personally. Its a common grievance of lots of neighbours of members of Pentecostal community, I hear. I haven&#039;t had the fortune of this &#039;experience&#039; yet. I lived in a ashram run by my college, so I KNOW how shitty your life can become. In this wonderful country of ours, everyone has a mouthpiece and a place to stand and speak your mind/belief. 
But when it comes to hammering your ideas/beliefs down the throats of innocent passer-bys, that is where I draw the line. PERIOD.
Its called Civic Virtue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kenney:<br />
I don&#8217;t think its quite fair to  target any particular denomination for the &#8216;noise nuisance&#8217; crime. I hate ANY bunch of morons who have to run LOUDspeakers into the streets so that no one in 2 sq. kms can enjoy their peace with their families/study/read/other activities that need quiet. This practice is endemic to almost ALL Indian religious communities.<br />
The Chennai city council has taken some steps in the right direction in this regard. eg. restricting public processions that disrupt city traffic/infrastructre.</p>
<p>I think some people may have their sentiments hurt when you try to pinpoint them as the source of all nuisance. The truth is that our collective skins have gotten thicker and we&#8217;re able to suffer LOTS of noise nuisance in the name of secularism and common sense tolerance of our neighbours. Its just that when it approaches the level of Acoustic vandalism, that it becomes much for our brains to tolerate, and we tend to lash out.</p>
<p>@Wilson Varghese<br />
Please don&#8217;t take it personally. Its a common grievance of lots of neighbours of members of Pentecostal community, I hear. I haven&#8217;t had the fortune of this &#8216;experience&#8217; yet. I lived in a ashram run by my college, so I KNOW how shitty your life can become. In this wonderful country of ours, everyone has a mouthpiece and a place to stand and speak your mind/belief.<br />
But when it comes to hammering your ideas/beliefs down the throats of innocent passer-bys, that is where I draw the line. PERIOD.<br />
Its called Civic Virtue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenney Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenney Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wilson,

I dont know what experience you are talking about. But Let me tell you my experience. 

Your prayer hall is very near to the place I stay and on sundays its unbearable. 

Ive seen your people giving lectures on streets. And the words you use and arrogant and stupid. I feel ashamed to say that you also believe in the same Jesus Christ. 

Ive heard that you people dont watch movies and also dont visit a doctor. 

These maybe a limited perspective, but confirms with the reality that I see everyday. 

And I agree totally to your last paragraph. religious should not make noise.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wilson,</p>
<p>I dont know what experience you are talking about. But Let me tell you my experience. </p>
<p>Your prayer hall is very near to the place I stay and on sundays its unbearable. </p>
<p>Ive seen your people giving lectures on streets. And the words you use and arrogant and stupid. I feel ashamed to say that you also believe in the same Jesus Christ. </p>
<p>Ive heard that you people dont watch movies and also dont visit a doctor. </p>
<p>These maybe a limited perspective, but confirms with the reality that I see everyday. </p>
<p>And I agree totally to your last paragraph. religious should not make noise&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson Varghese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilson Varghese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear publisher,
Your suggestion to ban &quot;Irritating noise making religions (pentacostes)&quot; is baseless and meaningless because &quot;Pentacost&quot; is NOT RELIGION and it&#039;s experience.  Your suggestion is just like the blind people those wanted to know what is elephant, one fellow identified elephant after touching the tail as &quot;broom&quot; and so on. So, please make the suggestion after studying or experiencing it.
If you still stick with your opinion, remember, there are other types of worship is going on in the midnight through loud speaker till early morning which disturb the sleep totally.... IT SHOULD ALSO BAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear publisher,<br />
Your suggestion to ban &#8220;Irritating noise making religions (pentacostes)&#8221; is baseless and meaningless because &#8220;Pentacost&#8221; is NOT RELIGION and it&#8217;s experience.  Your suggestion is just like the blind people those wanted to know what is elephant, one fellow identified elephant after touching the tail as &#8220;broom&#8221; and so on. So, please make the suggestion after studying or experiencing it.<br />
If you still stick with your opinion, remember, there are other types of worship is going on in the midnight through loud speaker till early morning which disturb the sleep totally&#8230;. IT SHOULD ALSO BAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Anurag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anurag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point is that, No culture can claim that its the best. Culture improves when we mix.

More people in US are in Jail not because of their value system, but becuse their police is more active than ours.&quot;

These are gems. 

Its been enlightening to read all the posts from the fine discussion going on in here. The preservation of truth is like a silent war going on and on. And in this case its prize is the youth. Partial truths are as dangerous as lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point is that, No culture can claim that its the best. Culture improves when we mix.</p>
<p>More people in US are in Jail not because of their value system, but becuse their police is more active than ours.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are gems. </p>
<p>Its been enlightening to read all the posts from the fine discussion going on in here. The preservation of truth is like a silent war going on and on. And in this case its prize is the youth. Partial truths are as dangerous as lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreeing with Nikhil Narayanan. Neutrality of the text seems to be a question.</description>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Narayanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikhil Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kenney
I went through the text book and here are my comments:
Having an excerpt from AK Gopalan&#039;s (auto)biography is not expected. He is a well known communist leader of yester years. This is like bombarding commie thoughts in class 7.
The style in which &quot;Kudiyozhippikkal&quot; and Karivellur Samaram are introduced indeed has a commie angle.
Too much stress on Land Reforms, unwanted.
Would a 7th standard kid understand Smt KR Gouriamma&#039;s response to a bill, as told in the assembly?? Why are they doing this?

Pages on Human Devlopment Indices of Kerala, good, acceptable.
I don&#039;t understand-what is being taught? Time line of the social changes?
Why is there an excerpt on how lower caste women used to have food left over by Antarjanams(Namboodiri Brahmin women)??? What are the commies trying to convey?

Channar Revolt-unwanted , again selling commie ideology.
Vaikom and Guruvayoor Satyagrahams-These should have been the ONLY one to be included in the text book, rather worth including.

Pratyaksha Rakshasabha-why get into every single point of social equality. 
Wouldn&#039;t the mention of Vaikom or Guruvayur be enough?
Same with the mention of Muslim Ikyasangham.

After going through all these portions, a 7th standard kid reaches a chapter that says, say no not only to caste, but religion. Should these things be taught in school, that too at this level?

Having the lines from all holy books-accepted.

But, I still haven&#039;t understood the relevance of a question that asks which religion would be affected the max by inflation, water scarcity, contagious diseases and earthquake..!!!
May be they wanted the answer, people of all religions would be affected. sigh!

Chapter 3
Iniyum Muttott-the mention of Palm Oil rates was unwanted, rest accepted.
The next page that mentions a &quot;rich guy&quot; who says he will do whatever with his land while a passerby comments why are people protesting? These two kinds of people are painted a shade of ENEMY;yes, the commies what more jobless people for DYFI , SFI whatever.

The text says, &quot;As discussed in a class, these were the meanings of Freedom&quot;; instead this should have been an open discussion in every class. Shouldn&#039;t that been a better way to do it rather than already having 4 meanings for freedom.

Parts of the British coming in-well, good! But comparing it with today&#039;s situation? Do they expect an answer of the lines of communism?? Please, gimme a break!!!

Parts on Bhagat Singh and other revolutionaries-acceptable.
Throwing light on the revolt of 1857, Jalianwalla Bagh massacare-yes, much needed at this level. If not in class 7, when?

Other parts on Indian History like pages on Khilafat,Dandi Satyagraha,Quit India-acceptable.

This chapter ends with a note to start a discussion on Land grabbing, caste/gender based discrimination, accumulation of wealth--is this an NDTV debate?

News clippings on Forest Guards/Excise attacked,or Sand/Liqour mafia attacking people-UNWANTED.
Then why not include DYFI/SFI vandalising,killing people in Kannur??? HUH!

Asking the students to compare the British discipline to India&#039;s prgress(ie Mukesh Ambani&#039;s wealth)-Weird, useless

Portion on length of day/night-acceptable.
Other geography portions, parts on civilizations and the rest of the book seem fine to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kenney<br />
I went through the text book and here are my comments:<br />
Having an excerpt from AK Gopalan&#8217;s (auto)biography is not expected. He is a well known communist leader of yester years. This is like bombarding commie thoughts in class 7.<br />
The style in which &#8220;Kudiyozhippikkal&#8221; and Karivellur Samaram are introduced indeed has a commie angle.<br />
Too much stress on Land Reforms, unwanted.<br />
Would a 7th standard kid understand Smt KR Gouriamma&#8217;s response to a bill, as told in the assembly?? Why are they doing this?</p>
<p>Pages on Human Devlopment Indices of Kerala, good, acceptable.<br />
I don&#8217;t understand-what is being taught? Time line of the social changes?<br />
Why is there an excerpt on how lower caste women used to have food left over by Antarjanams(Namboodiri Brahmin women)??? What are the commies trying to convey?</p>
<p>Channar Revolt-unwanted , again selling commie ideology.<br />
Vaikom and Guruvayoor Satyagrahams-These should have been the ONLY one to be included in the text book, rather worth including.</p>
<p>Pratyaksha Rakshasabha-why get into every single point of social equality.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t the mention of Vaikom or Guruvayur be enough?<br />
Same with the mention of Muslim Ikyasangham.</p>
<p>After going through all these portions, a 7th standard kid reaches a chapter that says, say no not only to caste, but religion. Should these things be taught in school, that too at this level?</p>
<p>Having the lines from all holy books-accepted.</p>
<p>But, I still haven&#8217;t understood the relevance of a question that asks which religion would be affected the max by inflation, water scarcity, contagious diseases and earthquake..!!!<br />
May be they wanted the answer, people of all religions would be affected. sigh!</p>
<p>Chapter 3<br />
Iniyum Muttott-the mention of Palm Oil rates was unwanted, rest accepted.<br />
The next page that mentions a &#8220;rich guy&#8221; who says he will do whatever with his land while a passerby comments why are people protesting? These two kinds of people are painted a shade of ENEMY;yes, the commies what more jobless people for DYFI , SFI whatever.</p>
<p>The text says, &#8220;As discussed in a class, these were the meanings of Freedom&#8221;; instead this should have been an open discussion in every class. Shouldn&#8217;t that been a better way to do it rather than already having 4 meanings for freedom.</p>
<p>Parts of the British coming in-well, good! But comparing it with today&#8217;s situation? Do they expect an answer of the lines of communism?? Please, gimme a break!!!</p>
<p>Parts on Bhagat Singh and other revolutionaries-acceptable.<br />
Throwing light on the revolt of 1857, Jalianwalla Bagh massacare-yes, much needed at this level. If not in class 7, when?</p>
<p>Other parts on Indian History like pages on Khilafat,Dandi Satyagraha,Quit India-acceptable.</p>
<p>This chapter ends with a note to start a discussion on Land grabbing, caste/gender based discrimination, accumulation of wealth&#8211;is this an NDTV debate?</p>
<p>News clippings on Forest Guards/Excise attacked,or Sand/Liqour mafia attacking people-UNWANTED.<br />
Then why not include DYFI/SFI vandalising,killing people in Kannur??? HUH!</p>
<p>Asking the students to compare the British discipline to India&#8217;s prgress(ie Mukesh Ambani&#8217;s wealth)-Weird, useless</p>
<p>Portion on length of day/night-acceptable.<br />
Other geography portions, parts on civilizations and the rest of the book seem fine to me.</p>
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